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allstarproducer
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real nice.
i just downloaded illustrator, everything seems the same as photoshop except im noticing a couple differences that are slowing me down that you could do with the photoshop pen tool that you can probaly do in illustrator but its different. so until i figure out a few things vectors will take way too long lol.
how do you change the color of a path? like it was making a black path and the work i was penning was black so i couldnt see where the fk the path was lol. it was killing me. a few other annoyances i couldnt figure out but that was 1 main issue.
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^thanks man.
hook it up with a liiinnkkk!  lmao
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there's more renders in here than actual vectors. can we keep the photoshop work in the photoshop thread please? not trying to be a prick, but as mentioned before, there is a difference. you guys would have so much more cleaner details and more possibilities with the shapes and color/pattern/texture application.
SO START F'N WITH ILLUSTRATOR ALREADY.
| allstarproducer wrote: | | how do you change the color of a path? like it was making a black path and the work i was penning was black so i couldnt see where the fk the path was lol. it was killing me. a few other annoyances i couldnt figure out but that was 1 main issue. |
the box in the front is your fill, the outline of a box beneath it is your stroke. you need to change your fill to NONE (the small white box with a red line through it). To change the color of the stroke, change the black to something else. To change the weight of the stroke, click Window>>Stroke.
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| Krome wrote: | there's more renders in here than actual vectors. can we keep the photoshop work in the photoshop thread please? not trying to be a prick, but as mentioned before, there is a difference. you guys would have so much more cleaner details and more possibilities with the shapes and color/pattern/texture application.
SO START F'N WITH ILLUSTRATOR ALREADY. |
can you explain the difference? Maybe that way there won't be anymore confusion 
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| dayms im loving the unkles and the heinykens.. i got to learn how to do this.. |
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will gladly do Starchild.
Taken from VectorGuy's Why Photoshop isn't a vector tool.
Photoshop is a raster application that has a few vector tools. It does not create true vector content. When using the vector tools in Photoshop, you do have the ability to create vector containers full of raster data. There's a HUGE difference. A true vector application creates 100% vector files, unless you import something that's raster. With true vector files, they can be enlarged and reduced to any size and never loose 1 iota of quality. This is not true for Photoshop files, in any format.
This becomes terribly apparent in some cases. One being a logo. If you draw a vector shape in Photoshop, then use a bunch of fancy layer styles as people often do - bevel and emboss, satin, inner shadow...for the sake of of this example I'll only refer to layer style items that effect the inside of the shape. Now, save that file as a photoshop PDF, PSD, or EPS (the three Photoshop formats that will support vector data).
Now, create something similar in Illustrator. Granted things like satin and bevel and emboss are not easily pulled off in Illustrator, but it is possible. Save that file as an illustrator EPS (a true vector format).
Now, place both the Photoshop file and illustrator file in an Indesign document. Enlarge both images by 800% and print them. You'll see an absolutely clear difference. The outside edges of the Photoshop image will be crisp and clear, but all those interior items will be heavily pixelated. This is because it's raster content inside a vector container. The print of the Illustrator file will be clear and crisp everywhere because it's an actual vector based file.
If you were a plumber you'd have several tools - a monkey wrench, screwdrivers, a pair of pliers, maybe a hammer, pipe wrench, etc. Each tool has a specific function and is used for a specific result. As a designer you need more than 1 tool. Photoshop is not the be-all-end-all in terms of creation. Never has been and never will be. you'll only do better by extending your set of tools. Using Photoshop for a logo is like using a pair of pliers as a hammer. Yes. It works. Is it the right tool? No. Will it possibly break whatever it is your pounding on, there's a possibility.
Now, for all of you lazy asses that didn't want to read that, in a nutshell - you get smoother lines and shapes & will NEVER have issues resizing as big or as small as you want. And, if you ever intend to make PRINTS of your work, an illustrator piece will have a flawlessly smooth outcome, where as Photoshop may produce a pixelated and jagged print.
As far as features, there's just so many with illustrator that you don't have with photoshop. You really just need to mess around with illustrator to see the difference. Remember, illustrator is a VECTOR program, while photoshop just has a vector tool. So imagine the differences of features between the tools.
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Oh, and to those who were asking about Vectors
These shoes took me hours to make in Illustrator CS3
Here is a screenshot of the work in progress //
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Krome, I must say, your website is beyond the realm of just being "impressive"
I love the comic book/magazine effect, pretty ill.
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| Krome wrote: | will gladly do Starchild.
Taken from VectorGuy's Why Photoshop isn't a vector tool.
Photoshop is a raster application that has a few vector tools. It does not create true vector content. When using the vector tools in Photoshop, you do have the ability to create vector containers full of raster data. There's a HUGE difference. A true vector application creates 100% vector files, unless you import something that's raster. With true vector files, they can be enlarged and reduced to any size and never loose 1 iota of quality. This is not true for Photoshop files, in any format.
This becomes terribly apparent in some cases. One being a logo. If you draw a vector shape in Photoshop, then use a bunch of fancy layer styles as people often do - bevel and emboss, satin, inner shadow...for the sake of of this example I'll only refer to layer style items that effect the inside of the shape. Now, save that file as a photoshop PDF, PSD, or EPS (the three Photoshop formats that will support vector data).
Now, create something similar in Illustrator. Granted things like satin and bevel and emboss are not easily pulled off in Illustrator, but it is possible. Save that file as an illustrator EPS (a true vector format).
Now, place both the Photoshop file and illustrator file in an Indesign document. Enlarge both images by 800% and print them. You'll see an absolutely clear difference. The outside edges of the Photoshop image will be crisp and clear, but all those interior items will be heavily pixelated. This is because it's raster content inside a vector container. The print of the Illustrator file will be clear and crisp everywhere because it's an actual vector based file.
If you were a plumber you'd have several tools - a monkey wrench, screwdrivers, a pair of pliers, maybe a hammer, pipe wrench, etc. Each tool has a specific function and is used for a specific result. As a designer you need more than 1 tool. Photoshop is not the be-all-end-all in terms of creation. Never has been and never will be. you'll only do better by extending your set of tools. Using Photoshop for a logo is like using a pair of pliers as a hammer. Yes. It works. Is it the right tool? No. Will it possibly break whatever it is your pounding on, there's a possibility.
Now, for all of you lazy asses that didn't want to read that, in a nutshell - you get smoother lines and shapes & will NEVER have issues resizing as big or as small as you want. And, if you ever intend to make PRINTS of your work, an illustrator piece will have a flawlessly smooth outcome, where as Photoshop may produce a pixelated and jagged print.
As far as features, there's just so many with illustrator that you don't have with photoshop. You really just need to mess around with illustrator to see the difference. Remember, illustrator is a VECTOR program, while photoshop just has a vector tool. So imagine the differences of features between the tools. |
that really cleared it up for me. thanks for the info 
and i just checked out your website and omg....illest sh*t ive ever seen in my life! thats so dope how its like a book....truly amazing.
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| Emperor Starchild wrote: | Krome posts again  |
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| wayne788 wrote: | | Emperor Starchild wrote: | | Krome posts again |
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Still has the effect on me!
Thanks for the clarification Krome, from here on if posts include anything but vectors they will be vanished
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havent created a new vector in a while but here are some old ones, these took a long time so dont even bother asking how long..lol
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